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Check out the fuel mileage for cars in Europe! We can't have them here! Why?

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Can you say Super Duty? Some of the best selling cars in the USA are 1/2 ton or bigger pickups. So much so that Ford decided to quit selling the Ranger pickup here.
 
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I think they discontinued the Ranger because the full size trucks were getting the same mileage in a bigger package. Still the push for US cars to meet certain mileage requirements by what ever year by congress/Obama is BS. There are cars already breaking the 45 mpg in Europe on top of forcing ethanol down our throats. The reduced emissions with ethanol is crap. Farmers have destroyed farmlands, wetlands with erosion and more chemicals to grow corn more so than ever thought imaginable which pollutes the land. Wasn't there a congress man that put out a challenge for US people to come up with a car that would get 100mpg? Anyway...just ranting!
 
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Well i would think that some may have problems meeting the emission regulations i know VW had problem with that. If you drive behind a VW diesel and you dont have a polluto filter on Your car, it smells very bad, just as bad as a big rig.
Yes we do have high emision standards over here, but for the most part i believe California may have the highest standards in the world

Some years ago the government here favored diesel cars With lower dutys on them, because the polluted only globally and not locally, then after the majority switched to diesel, the suddenly found out that they do pollute highly locally too, so the turned up the dues extremely.
 
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The other thing that article doesn't account for is whether the manufacturers elected to certify those models for U.S. crash standards. In general, the article strikes me as little more than anecdotal information with a conspiracy theory slant. There's basically no attempt to understand why those models might not be available here. The comparison on the one model that gets 56MPG in Europe but only 18MPG in the U.S. is a case in point. There's obviously a lot more to that than conspiracy by the "oligarchs". I'm guessing it's not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison.
 
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I'm not certain I would read too much into any article published on that website.
 
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I travel to France quite often and use my father's in law car (Citroen Picasso 2002 - 5 seats wagon equipped with a 1.8 L engine) and we easily do 47 - 50 MP USG (60 MP ImpGal) with the most economical gazoline available up there. This for sure no performance car but it gets us wherever we need at ± the same mileage as I do with my Toyota Prius V Hybrid in the summer months. This is no fiction, no dream, no bull****... just a testimony from someone who has had a personal experience of driving in France for 10+ years. I know this is no fun to realize but this is real.
 
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Wish I had a nickle for every conspiracy theory......yawn
 
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Since i live in Europe, I can say that cars over here seem to be smaller that american Cars, far less pickups, etc...

With my car now (basic Citroën berlingo van) I do an average of 6L/100KM. Pure coincidence that i also drive a Citroën, but i got mine from my work, and Citroën is one of the cheapest car brands you can get over here, you see?

As far as emissions go, we pay taxes accordingly, so cars nowaydays have very low emissions.


I think the main reason we have better MPG cars over here is smaller cars and smaller engines. A factory car with a V8 is almost impossible to get here (unless it's a sports car ofcoure), even a V6 is very rare. Most cars here have a L4 or even an L3.

Powerwise, most cars here are around the 100HP mark depending on the weight of the car.
 
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We get the European cars here in OZ and they all have 5 star NCAP safety rating and meet Euro 6 emissions. The consumption figures are legit. We tend to get the larger engines so the consumption figures aren't as good.

There are many reasons you don't get them in the US including the "not invented here" syndrome, resistance to smaller cars with slower acceleration, low adoption of manual gearboxes (needed for good fuel consumption numbers on a small engine capacity), resistance to diesels and, for small pickups, the chicken tax (most small pick-ups are built outside the US and attract 30% import tax). Basically - small European cars don't sell in the US in volumes and you have to add the cost of US certification - even though the Euro standards are generally tougher

But you do get some European designs with larger engines - like Kia's, Hyundais, Fusion, Fiesta and Focus
 
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CVT technology is also contributing to the demise of manual transmissions offered in small cars.

The fuel economy numbers for the CVT ( Continuously Variable Transmission ) cars, exceed EPA numbers on a Subaru with manual transmissions.