Too much wind noise?

AZCAT · Dec 31, 2010

My 67 is very loud when I drive it on the freeway (windows up). The wind noise makes it difficult to listen to the radio or carry out a conversation.

I know it is unrealistic to think it will be as quiet as a modern car with double or triple door seals.

Any suggestions? Is it a door/glass alignment problem, or simply how 40 year old cars perform?

By the way, all weather-strip is new.

Thanks,

johnboy · Dec 31, 2010

is it noise, or whistling?

Jean

AZCAT · Dec 31, 2010

johnboy said:
is it noise, or whistling?

Jean

Noise, it does not seem to be coming from the dash or windshield. More the door glass area.

My car has reproduction vent windows and I have heard they do not seal too well. That might be part of the problem.

Thanks,

Whatacougar · Dec 31, 2010

I went through the same thing and then finally convinced myself that it probably sounded the same when it was brand new. I have mostly new weatherstripping and original vent windows. I don't hear any actual air leaks, it's just a lot noisier than the cars today. Fortunately, I only drive it with the windows down. The only time I have the windows up for any length of time is my annual trip to Bill's house/Barrett Jackson. And I wouldn't have to have the windows up then if we could only have an AZ winter day with 75 degrees on that particular Saturday.

AZCAT · Dec 31, 2010

Whatacougar said:
I went through the same thing and then finally convinced myself that it probably sounded the same when it was brand new. I have mostly new weatherstripping and original vent windows. I don't hear any actual air leaks, it's just a lot noisier than the cars today. Fortunately, I only drive it with the windows down. The only time I have the windows up for any length of time is my annual trip to Bill's house/Barrett Jackson. And I wouldn't have to have the windows up then if we could only have an AZ winter day with 75 degrees on that particular Saturday.

Thanks. I guess we are both spoiled with our Lincolns huh?

They are near silent.

c7xr7 · Dec 31, 2010

Ya'll need to start wearing charcoal briefs or sit on a pillow or something.

johnboy · Dec 31, 2010

c7xr7 said:
Ya'll need to start wearing charcoal briefs or sit on a pillow or something.

another prefectly good swallow of 50 ale just exited through my nose...
doesn't taste as good. Good one, though! :lolani:

Jean

Smith Brother · Jan 1, 2011

Just to test, put some DUCT tape over such where the glass frame meets the door body, and see what that does. It will at least give you a hint as to where it is coming.

Dale in Indy

PBCOUG · Jan 1, 2011

Alot of noise can come from the wing windows, try a new latch and pin. redo the seal around the doors, adjust the windows and while the door panels are off, install thick foam (Spray adheasive or carpet glue) to the inside of the door. This extra sound barrier goes a long way plus the door has a solid sound when you shut it.
I did all this to my 68 and it sounds better inside than my 2002 honda mini van.

AZCAT · Jan 1, 2011

Thanks for the tips.

And Jeff, I have a special place for you in the trunk of my car.

1969XR7Vert · Jan 1, 2011

c7xr7 said:
Ya'll need to start wearing charcoal briefs or sit on a pillow or something.

Good job sir! It just occurred to me looking at the thread title (again) that there was an obvious opportunity for comedy. You beat me to it. Bravo.

Whatacougar · Jan 1, 2011

c7xr7 said:
Ya'll need to start wearing charcoal briefs or sit on a pillow or something.

Actually, that's why I always drive with the windows down.

Cougrrcj · Jan 1, 2011

There just wasn't a lot of effort given back then to designing cars to minimize road noise/wind noise or - the biggest culprit - smooth airflow around the car. Each bit of turbulence in the airflow causes noise. Exposed wipers, exposed rain gutter, protruding door handles, non-flush glass...

Case in point - my newer Crown Vics - (the aerodynamic '86 and '04, and NOT my '89

) are very quiet - even with the windows open at highway speeds - primarily due to aerodynamic refinements. No problem hearing the radio or even spoken conversations.

AZCAT · Jan 1, 2011

Good point.

Cougrrcj said:
There just wasn't a lot of effort given back then to designing cars to minimize road noise/wind noise or - the biggest culprit - smooth airflow around the car. Each bit of turbulence in the airflow causes noise. Exposed wipers, exposed rain gutter, protruding door handles, non-flush glass...

Case in point - my newer Crown Vics - (the aerodynamic '86 and '04, and NOT my '89 ) are very quiet - even with the windows open at highway speeds - primarily due to aerodynamic refinements. No problem hearing the radio or even spoken conversations.

Hey, quick Panther related question (you seem to own many). Do you know if the heater core is directional on a 98? I disconnected the heater core a few months back when the blend door failed. It has been in the 40s the last couple days, so I would like to reconnect the heater lines. I was just curious if there is a dedicated inlet and outlet.. there is no upper and lower port, they are both horizontally aligned.

Thanks,

Bad69cat · Jan 1, 2011

You would be amazed at how much difference you can make in the sound levels by adding decent deadener materials under the carpet and behind the headliner and inside the doors. Granted the car is not going to be as quite as todays - but you can make a huge difference.

Cougrrcj · Jan 1, 2011

I've never had to replace one yet (knocking on wood desk)... May write-ups on the Crown Vic message board ( www.CrownVic.net ) on that subject. That's one job I'm not looking forward to! Thankfully, only the wife's '04 CV Sport has the ATC.

maxgig · Jan 1, 2011

AZCAT said:
Thanks for the tips.

And Jeff, I have a special place for you in the trunk of my car.

AZCAT, thanks for posting this thread. I had some carb work done to my car recently and I'm driving it more in the colder air and I have the same issue with the wind noise. I may eventually get my windows updated with the screw in type from a 70 car but until then this actully helps me cope with it better, now that I have some other perspectives on the issue.

AZCAT · Jan 1, 2011

Bad69cat said:
You would be amazed at how much difference you can make in the sound levels by adding decent deadener materials under the carpet and behind the headliner and inside the doors. Granted the car is not going to be as quite as todays - but you can make a huge difference.

Check.

http://www.raamaudio.com
I also went with the mass backed carpet.

AZCAT · Jan 1, 2011

maxgig said:
AZCAT, thanks for posting this thread. I had some carb work done to my car recently and I'm driving it more in the colder air and I have the same issue with the wind noise. I may eventually get my windows updated with the screw in type from a 70 car but until then this actully helps me cope with it better, now that I have some other perspectives on the issue.

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cougarshaman · Jan 1, 2011

Bad69cat said:
You would be amazed at how much difference you can make in the sound levels by adding decent deadener materials under the carpet and behind the headliner and inside the doors. Granted the car is not going to be as quite as todays - but you can make a huge difference.

Very true. Going from the jute underlayment and tar stuff to something like Dynamat and/or sound deadener textiles and carpeting made for cars can do wonders.
I have a friend with a Jeep CJ hardtop V8 that's probably as quiet as anything old I've ever ridden in thanks to these things.

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