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OK guys (and gals?) here's the deal. I got a nice 69 XR7 Eliminator (clone!) that does not have an engine or tranny. The car is for my 14yr old and is a project for him to have when he's 16. Therefore I don't intend to put a Hot Rod motor in it, I just want a good running V-8.

Here's the question: How do I go about finding out what engine/trans will fit right in? I know a 351W and think a FMX tranny came in it. But as far as finding another engine (289,302,351) and tranny, I don't know where to start. I need a complete eng, I don't have any accessories either.

Should I: Call junkyards, look for a donor car cheap, look for engine/trans in trader papers or what. What years small block V-8 will bolt right up?

In other words, what would you do if you were in my situation:confused:

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I would look for a 1969 - 70 351W and a FMX, C6 or C4 transmission. Call Don Rush at West Coast Classic Cougar or Lin Thurston or John Baumann at John's Classic Cougar, all listed in the vendor section.

The cheapest alternative would be to find a running driving 1969 - 70 Ford or Mercury with the engine and all accessories intact. Otherwise get the same from Don, John or Lin depending upon which is closest to your location. The engine from a full size Ford Or Mercury will need a set of headers to work, the stock manifolds are different for the Cougar / Mustang/ Fairlane/ Comet than for the bigger cars and trucks.
 

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buy a crate and put a t5 behind it. the stock crate they are coming out with at Ford is a great deal and not that expensive unless your planning on rebuilding it with him. and the t5 and kits are readily available and easy to get at any junk yard plus several people here can help you with the install. then go with aftermarket air with the sandeen compressor and install the rack and pinion mustang two front end for better handeling and it eliminates the need for power steering and all its mess. it willl also be a very clean job with only the alternator and the a/c on the front. All this can save you a group of time make the car enjoyable and can all be gotten everyday easy to replace and get parts for rather than trying to hunt for obsolete parts. and price engine rebuild kits. i recomend unless you do rebuilds allot that you have the bottom end at least sent out i do as it doesnt save that much money doing it myself and it comes with a warranty then i do the top end, but if you price around you will find that the fomoco crate 4v made for our years is one heck of a good deal and a whole lot less headache just lower it into the engine bay no fuss no muss.
 

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What Royce said......plus I'd stick with the 351 for resale and originality. Nothing worse than finding a 289/302 in a Cougar that should of had a 351. I rather supersize than downsize LOL. If money isn't an object you can get a new built crate 351 from Ford too.

Nothing wrong with a 67/68 Cougar with a 289/302 of course!
 

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I had also entertained the idea of finding a 5.0 mustang engine with a T-5 tranny and putting it in. I'm not trying to keep the car all original right now, since there's the possibility that my kid will wreck it. Would it be hard to put the T-5 in there, does somebody make a kit to add a clutch pedal?
 

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Pardon me I do not mean to offend but, why not get the kid a Escort or something for him to learn to drive on and wreck? They still make those crap boxes everyday and they dont make 69 Cougars anymore.

I hope he dont wreck anything at all though. mm
 

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You would need a clutch pedal out of a 69 or 70 mustang or cougar. And, you may as well go with a late model aluminum bellhousing which are cheap and would probably come with the 5.0 and T5. With the late model bell, you can go with a cable clutch from a company like modern driveline. Here is a site to research the topic:

http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/automatics.htm
 

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The cost of installing a late 5.0 and T5 will be higher and the difficulty level higher as well because you will need to mix and match parts that did not come together originally. You will either need to fabricate or buy adapters for the clutch, bellhousing and crossmember as well as having a custom driveshaft made.

If you have lots of prior experience at fabrication and engine swaps the price will go down. The cheapest easiest and most cost effective route will be to install the stock drivetrain components mentioned in my above post. Plus a 351 is always going to be better than a 302 given all other things being equal.
 

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I've done the EFI 5.0 swap, it was neat but it's an involved project. Swapping a stock 351W and transmission is the easiest route, not to mention not having to change the suspension due to the different engine weights. You are on the right track for a replacement engine, the trade papers and junkyards are good places to look. Another option is a used engine/transmission place, which is where I found the 5.0HO/AOD for Donna's restomod. You have the time so check the drivetrain out closely before buying a used car for parts, if you go that route.
 

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Ok here's my $0.02 :D
Id get a donar car (any model, even a fullsize LTD or something)close to the same year so the accessories will bolt right up with a 351 auto in it that way you have EVERYTHING you need. The main reason for this is when you are doing something like this you really have no idea of all the small things you are going to need if you just went out and bought an engine/trans alone. They add up quick and can be hard to find alone.
Then once your car is running, you can part out the donar car and re-coupe alot of your money if you do it right. It can turn out to be an inexpensive FUN learning experience for you and your son!!!
Check your local trader papers and also Check E-bay. I see perfect donar cars go all the time for $100-$500 running good...
Scott
 

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here is your engine http://www.ford-motors-engines.com/ford-engine-547.html?make=FORD
and royce is correct that you will need to fabricate things if you start putting many aftermarket linkage but most are had very easily. the other thing is like mark said it may be better off buying him a honda throw away for a while untill he can prove to be more reliable. course since we dont know your location getting a doner car can be in some cases allot easier said then done. if your out west and in the south cars can be still found but not so much up north. And i doubt you can rebuild an engine for the price they are asking on the link im posting. so my best advice is keep the car for yourself build it how you want it and let the boy buy his own, he will apreciate it more. my god i sound like my dad ( turn that dang blasted music down!) but since your not wanting performance parts and just a run of the mill engine i would check out the link. also here is a little on the t5 http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/automatics.htm
and before you do anything become a sponge and read read and read some more.
 

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Thanks for the advice guys...I think the donor car idea will work the best for me. I mentioned in an earlier post that I could get a 79 Cougar donor car but I still need to find out if it's a 351W or 351M and what kind of trans it's got. I know even if it's a W the performance won't be that great for that 79 engine, but really I'm not looking for performance right now..

As for letting my kid have this car, and possibly wreck it...it's sort of a done deal that he gets this car. We started looking for a project car for him a few months ago and came across this Cougar for $100. Since getting it and starting to really like the car alot I've dropped alot of hints that "wouldn't you be alot hapier with one of those cool hondas?" but the kid's not buying it. So I won't take it from him and hopefully he'll be responsible with it. This is also another reason I'm going to do a cheap but decent job getting it on the road, and later on we can go back and make it more correct.

Thanks for the advice so far guys. I can't wait to start working on this car, the more I look at it the more I like it!
 

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Well let's see what I have in stock:

1 complete 1970 351C-4V motor, 416 hp, pump gas
1 complete set of engine accessories
1 set of headers
1 perf. upgraded FMX and convertor
1 driveshaft

What I seem to be missing is someone who needs it and has $$$

If you're the lucky guy then email me through my signature link just below.
 

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Hey Dfwcatsclub I tried to e-mail you...I don't know if I did it right though...
 

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Bruce Couture here from Modern Driveline.

Putting together a motor and speed into a cougar is straight forward. A 351 a good choice but like others have mentioned you can use a built 302 or 5.0L block. I am making 500hp on a 327cu stroker motor that is supercharged with a T-5 behind it. I would recommend a 351 and T-5z or Tremec 3550, if you want to go with a 5 speed. A T-5z is torque rated at 330ft/ibs of torque and can handle more depending how it is used. The 3550 is a larger transmission but will fit within the trans tunnel of the Cougars. One of the Tremecs we offer is one that will bolt up a standard four speed bell housing. The shifter will come out of the stock location and the drive shaft does not need to be shorten. The stock crossmember is replaced with a Tremec unit. This option is as close as you can get to a bolt in swap.

A clutch pedal and brake from a mustang can be used from the same year. We have some in stock. Our clutch cable kit works nicely with cable operated bell housings and scatter shields. We offer conversion package for both the cougar and mustangs as well as just the parts you are after. Chances are whatever you are looking for in regards to five speed conversion on two wheel drive conversion, we have it. Feel free to send us your questions regarding a conversion project and we be glad to help in anyway we can.
 

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Well that's good info. I think I'm going to stick with a C4 for now, but later on I'd love to get a T-5 in there. Thanks for the help
 
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