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I'm not a 69/70 expert, but I thought 351C engines were only available in very late 1969 Mustangs/Cougars (if at all). However, The listing claims this is a very early 1969 model.
 

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Clevos were only available in 70, but were off and on available early in the year so they got Windsors when they had no Clevos, but only in the case of the H code. I know the GT package was available, but it was the last year for it. Was thinking that by 69 it was exclusive to the 390 though. (I am probably wrong)
 

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"GT" would be called out on the buck tag.
Included competition handling package with hood stripe.

Needs a Marti to support the GT claim. Some people incorrectly assume hood scoops mean "GT".
 

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Bob and Adam, the seller lists in the ad that the 351C in the car is a 1972 engine. :) John
 

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Bob and Adam, the seller lists in the ad that the 351C in the car is a 1972 engine. :) John
And he also says what I quoted.
 

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He does say in his text that
885 of those with 351 cleveland and Auto transmission
. But I think he does not know the defferance between a 351W 4V and a 351C 4V. May be a good starting poing for a ECI. Not for this old fart though.
 

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The engine in the picture on the Ebay listing is definitely a Windsor. He obviously doesn't know the difference.
 

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The 351Cleveland became available in the 1970 model year which began in July 1969. Prototype 1970 models were built that early. The Cleveland was not made early enough to be in a '69 vehicle. The dude needs to be drug tested.

I'm not a 69/70 expert, but I thought 351C engines were only available in very late 1969 Mustangs/Cougars (if at all). However, The listing claims this is a very early 1969 model.
 

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The engine in the picture on the Ebay listing is definitely a Windsor. He obviously doesn't know the difference.
Nope, look again, closely. It's a Cleveland. The video shows it even more clearly, but just look where the T-stat hose is going and look at the valve cover bolts.
 

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He does say in his text that . But I think he does not know the defferance between a 351W 4V and a 351C 4V. May be a good starting poing for a ECI. Not for this old fart though.
OK. Looking in CBTNs the 885 would be correct for a M code 351W-4V/X code FMX trans combo. The VIN does show the letter M in the 5th character. That's a low serial number.
 

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Nope, look again, closely. It's a Cleveland. The video shows it even more clearly, but just look where the T-stat hose is going and look at the valve cover bolts.
I didn't know there was a video as I just saw the small pic from the auction on my old 15" tube work monitor.
 

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I asked him to email his Marti Report to me and it does state that it came with the "GT Equipment Group". The Marti report also states that this car was one of "251 With GT Equipment Group".

As for the 351 question, I think everyone knows the answer by now. It states 351-4V, which in '69 is the Windsor. It seems he just didn't know. The statistic he quoted is correct, except for the fact that he added the word "cleveland" to it.

I would post the Marti Report, but I don't have the owner's permission. On the other hand, I don't mind answering questions about it.
 

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...The statistic he quoted is correct, except for the fact that he added the word "cleveland" to it...
And the fact that the car has a Cleveland in it. I don't have the ad in front of me (and can't pull it up at work) but I don't think he discloses that the engine does not belong in the car, so the error in statement you point out makes it sound as if it does belong in the car when in fact it does not.
 

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I agree, that was very misleading and confusing. Anyway, it would be a good project for someone if he cuts the price in half.
 

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As per his Ebay profile page he looks and seems quite young.
 

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I see the ad was corrected. Someone must of brought it to his attention.
 

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Morning,

I bought this car as a project car so that I would have something to beat on the next few years. The motor is indeed a 351C. The seller is executive vice president as his local bank and not really a "car" guy.

As I have had this car shipped to me (American living in Germany) it'll be a few weeks before I can dig into her and give some more info. The plan is to strip her down, fix the rust, and spray some quality paint. In the meantime, I'll be cruising in my '67 Fastback:






Greetz,

Andy
 
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