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VIN: 8R935J519602 (San Jose built)
Door Tag: 65B Y 6A 16E 51 5 W
Condition: Unrestored and unmolested, very original car.
Mileage: approx. 77,592
Engine: Original 302 4 BBL J-Code
Axle: 8 inch non-locking rear axle with 3:00 ratio.
Transmission: C4 automatic
Price: $6,500 usd
Terms of sale: Any prospective buyer or buyer’s representative will be required to inspect the car in person in Danville, VA from Monday-Saturday and by appointment only (which I can arrange) with the restoration shop (KTL) where it currently resides. Please do not call KTL directly for information on this car unless you are seriously interested in the car and then please only call Tom Lawrance at KTL Restorations (after 6 PM EST).
Marketing car to those East of the MS River or in Northeast looking for original 1968 XR-7 Cougar. Mostly original paint. Car will not be sold with hours spent on the phone, tons of pictures or numerous E-mails. Inspected and photographed by KTL and found to be 98% rust-free. Car needs a tune-up, front wheel cylinders, upper A-frame bushings and AC recharge or conversion. Take a $2,500 project car and get stuck with some major mechanical and rust repair and you have exceeded the price of this ’68 XR-7 J-Code.
I can be reached on my cell phone at 423-280-5091 from 4:00-9:00 PM EST. Thank you. Greg

http://s1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/4xlr8n1/

http://s1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/4xlr8n1/1968 J-Code Cougar Pics/
 

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Nice car, need some 3/4 shots for perspective and more interior shots... does it have a vinyl roof?
 

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Nice car, need some 3/4 shots for perspective and more interior shots... does it have a vinyl roof?


It has the tell-tale signs of vinyl glue all over the roof. Although it is kind of rust-free, I'm afraid this car needs a lot of work over all the areas. The pitting in the lower Rocker trim is a sign, as is the fading on the black parts of the exterior. Kind of a "tweener", not good enough to call a real clean survivor, not rough enough to be a real cheap project car. It's true, though, that it seems to be a solid body to start with and a nice option package overall.
 

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It has the tell-tale signs of vinyl glue all over the roof. Although it is kind of rust-free, I'm afraid this car needs a lot of work over all the areas. The pitting in the lower Rocker trim is a sign, as is the fading on the black parts of the exterior. Kind of a "tweener", not good enough to call a real clean survivor, not rough enough to be a real cheap project car. It's true, though, that it seems to be a solid body to start with and a nice option package overall.

Greg,

I don't mean to be hard on the car. Sorry I was a bit negative about it here..I do hope you can get some more really good close ups and more angles displayed for people so it's easy to see all over. That really helps a sale move along easier and will prevent you and/or Tom from being lambasted with a bunch of questions and photo requests.

Firstly, I am just saying yes it had a vinyl top. But I dont really know what kind of condition the car is in. If Tom says it's 98% rust free, it's 98% rust free.


I just meant that it's not "perfect" in a lot of areas, obviously, and isn't a turn-key car, but that it's to "good" to be a project car without all the usual costs as though it were a really rough car (ie seats, rocker panels, etc..) That's all I meant by it being a "tweener". Just my opionion, it's gonna be a good car for somebody to enjoy soon, hopefully! And for that matter, you're right, if someone wants to resore a nice J code with a solid body, this is probably a good candidate. I was merely saying that you'll likely be beat up by those that want it as a project, so hopefully someone sees it as a good driver candidate with just a few finishing details needed.

Good luck,
 

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Brian, I think you have said enough and quite frankly missed the point entirely. Not everyone has the desire or money or thinks in terms of doing a full blown restoration on a Cougar he or she owns. Why would someone looking for a 100% original documented with paper trail '68 XR-7 J-Code Cougar to enjoy now spend the money "restoring" the car? Having only 77K original documented miles on it that makes no sense. Since not everyone is as fortunate as you and others to live in a part of the country that is Nirvana Land for '67-'68 Cougars, it is as solid of a Cougar as you will find in these parts and better than most for an unrestored car. The original paint could be buffed, the vinyl top replaced or the roof painted, some cheap seat covers thrown on and what little brake and front end work done needed could be done in a day. This car needs to be driven and enjoyed for many years and miles by getting a lot of use out of it, not restored. As the values and prices of the '67-'68 Cougars continue to slowly escalate thanks in large part to the recent sale of your beautiful GT-E at B-J, someone might justify restoring the car if they loved it and decided to keep it. Good luck with your new J-Code.
 

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"As the values and prices of the '67-'68 Cougars continue to slowly escalate"

Really?
 

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"As the values and prices of the '67-'68 Cougars continue to slowly escalate"

Really?
Thank you for your comments and reminding us all that sadly there are a few pessimistic glass is half empty thinking members who actually believe the value of the early Cougars will not increase. Fortunately for the rest of us the man who has invested his life in and built his business on Cougars of all years thinks otherwise and is actually optimistic about the future values of Cougars as emphasized at the 3:49 mark of the recent WCCC video "Cougar Pickin' with Scott Taylor".
 

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I am a huge Cougar fan and hope they escalate as well. There is no "break out" going on in the Cougar value world any more than there is in the Mustang market. The current economy is effecting "driver" condition cars and it is not an upward scale. The middle class is hurting and the upper class do not buy driver or project cars unless they are extremely valuable. Do you feel your car is worth more since the BJ auction? I would say no and follow the market as close as anyone here.
 

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We might learn something,WHEN this Cougar actually sells, and WHAT it sells for.

It's been just a few days, so we will see.

I do keep reminding myself, RESPECT other opinions, no need to make it personal.

Dale in Indy
 

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Just a thought, not criticizing here or anything but why not take care of the few things remaining that need to be taken care of. If a resto shop owns it, then they are paying labor to finish it at ......what...... $160 a day? Seems to me from what you said you have 2 solid 8 hours days of work there to get that car where you say it could be. So for $320 you make that car match the standard you have set with the documentation. People looking to buy a driver's car instead of a project car will be much more interested in a car that has 0 problems for a little more, than a car with numerous small problems for slightly less.
 

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I don't know of ANY quality shop charging as low as the $20.00 per hour you posted. More like $50.00 - $75.00. per hour.

Maybe I'm missing something.......

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I don't know of ANY quality shop charging
Maybe I'm missing something.......
I didn't know if the shop owned the car or the poster or what relationship there was. I was assuming the shop was not "charging" for labor, but rather just paying the mechanic his normal cut of the shop's labor rate, which if he wasn't the "Old Salty Dog" mechanic but rather the younger bucks, he would likely only be getting $20 of the shops $50 take.
 

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Geeezzzzzzzz, after reading this post, I will think twice about dis'ing anything in the future on this forum...makes me proud of the one that I have and appreciate all the hard work that others have done and continue to do. How does that oath on the "Red/Green Show" go ???
 

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Brian, I think you have said enough and quite frankly missed the point entirely. Not everyone has the desire or money or thinks in terms of doing a full blown restoration on a Cougar he or she owns. Why would someone looking for a 100% original documented with paper trail '68 XR-7 J-Code Cougar to enjoy now spend the money "restoring" the car? Having only 77K original documented miles on it that makes no sense. Since not everyone is as fortunate as you and others to live in a part of the country that is Nirvana Land for '67-'68 Cougars, it is as solid of a Cougar as you will find in these parts and better than most for an unrestored car. The original paint could be buffed, the vinyl top replaced or the roof painted, some cheap seat covers thrown on and what little brake and front end work done needed could be done in a day. This car needs to be driven and enjoyed for many years and miles by getting a lot of use out of it, not restored. As the values and prices of the '67-'68 Cougars continue to slowly escalate thanks in large part to the recent sale of your beautiful GT-E at B-J, someone might justify restoring the car if they loved it and decided to keep it. Good luck with your new J-Code.

Umm..what the HE>>? I've said enough and missed the point entirely? Pretty rough words after Ive gone go out of my way to "massage" my post so as to not "bash" your car, there, Greg. I'm not sure what I ever did to grind your Axe..

I said that the car is a good car to drive if finished up and priced right, and it might be a good project car, too. Both are opionions, and they cost what I charged you; so What is the problem here????
 

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Greg , I back you up and feel your price is fair for this cougar. 77k miles and documented is a nice addition. I would post some pictures showing the whole car from all angles. Oh and install the Pertronix Ignitor II in place of the points in the distributor, plus the Flame Thrower Coil and it will run great, Just did it on my J code and made it so smooth !!
 
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