All I have is the original smog pump bracket & pulley. The original owner was only 20yrs old at the time & got rid of the rest. But for less than a couple of grand, All that other stuff, snorkel, heat shield, valve covers etc....are available on line (ebay) with the correct date stamp. I think the biggest feature on this car is the original comfort weave interior, which is not correctly duplicated (from China) with the aftermarket suppliers.
Chuck: Best of luck with your sale. The car is great! As the previous owner of the BJ Eliminator, I will take slight exception with the following:
"The last Eliminator Cougar that sold at Barrett-Jackson in 2013 Scottsdale was lot #1271 (sold for $140,000) was a 1970 428-Q code, Automatic. Note: These extremly desirable "R" code Eliminator Cougars were only available in 1969 & not available in 1970 making them extra rare."
There was no R code in 70 because the Ram-Air was relegated to an option, so the R-code setup WAS available in 1970, just the VIN says Q. While I hope using my old car as as reference helps your sale, I hope no one is confused by the "rarity" of the R-code in 69- just semantics based on VIN designation. Of course, the SCJ added a couple of bucks.
As the engine has never been out of the car, was it painted in the engine bay?
Chuck: Best of luck with your sale. The car is great! As the previous owner of the BJ Eliminator, I will take slight exception with the following:
"The last Eliminator Cougar that sold at Barrett-Jackson in 2013 Scottsdale was lot #1271 (sold for $140,000) was a 1970 428-Q code, Automatic. Note: These extremly desirable "R" code Eliminator Cougars were only available in 1969 & not available in 1970 making them extra rare."
There was no R code in 70 because the Ram-Air was relegated to an option, so the R-code setup WAS available in 1970, just the VIN says Q. While I hope using my old car as as reference helps your sale, I hope no one is confused by the "rarity" of the R-code in 69- just semantics based on VIN designation. Of course, the SCJ added a couple of bucks.
As the engine has never been out of the car, was it painted in the engine bay?
Try telling that to the 1970 Mustangs Boys who have "R" code cars. I've had several emails on that subject since the car was posted on ebay. LOL The biggest difference is that for owners of 1970 Cougars you need legit documentation that the car came with Ram Air. With a 69 R-code you don't need the documentation. Lots of clones out there with fake docs.
Yes, part of the engine was painted in the engine bay. But all the pulleys, fan, water pump, intake & carb, nuts & bolts, brackets, air cleaner assembly etc............. were taken off, media blasted & repainted.
Yes, SCJ add a couple bucks, but also the automatic take away a few bucks.
Chuck, very nice car, and I am actually interested in thecar, however I disagree on a few things as well, Documentation and verificationare relatively easy with Marti reports available, your build sheet ishowever a big plus. Also the SCJ is aHUGE deal, Auto or not, and adds significant value, furthermore, the GrabberBlue 1970 428 SCJ car was magnificently restored by the very best in thebusiness KTL (who by the way are restoring my 1969 428 R code conv Cougar) andthat car had zero exceptions or stories. Like I said, I am interested in yourcar and will contact you in a day or so to request some info.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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I agree with you with R code. But I will disagree with the auto having the same value as a 4 speed car. I'm just curious what other Cougar members think, Auto or Stick????? Example: would you rather have a 64 Thunderbolt with an auto or a 4 speed stick????
I never said that it didnt make a difference, i just said CJ vs SCJ makes a big dif. I do agree that a SCJ 4 spd will probably bring 10-15% more on average then the auto..........
In the Shelby world you can take a 15-20% loss if you are selling an automatic. When the aches and pains are upon you put it in D and start cruising, forget the hassle of stopping at a light on a hill. Downshift is just a foot stomp away.
That is likely true as the Drag pack was a brilliant marketing effort to actually install a Warranty pack and get money for it. They do not make more HP actually less. They are advertised as having more HP but there is nothing installed to acheive this. Same heads, exhaust, intake carb but the heavier reciprocating mass (crank, rods, balancer,) while stronger will spin slower. You can thank the high axle 68.5 CJ's for the Drag pack in 69.
The Ebay White Eliminator looks great best of luck
I know on the Ford Fairlane website, they say on the dyno the 428CJ made more HP than SCJ because of the lighter reciprocating mass. The problem with CJ/SCJ was that most of the oil would go to the top end of the engine... so if you didn't have a 7 quart oil pan you were in big trouble at higher rpm...... when you were drag racing.
If I had a choice between two Eliminators, in identical conditions and in a color I really wanted, but one was a CJ with a 4 speed and the other was a SCJ with an automatic, I would take the SCJ.
But in the interest of full disclosure I am 52 and my left knee is starting to give me fits!
What a great[NOT] way to start an ad. Rarer than a Shelby. Then the remark that the R code was only available in a Cougar in 1969. Ram air is Ram air whether it is noted in the VIN or the invoice. You have a picture of the invoice and the car came with a rear spoiler. Hard part to find. Hope you have it. The Hurst is wrong for a 69 and the original shifter and knob is worth north of $1,000. Hope you have them. Nice car and you should sell it on it's merits, not by trying to down grade other cars.
Frank
What a great[NOT] way to start an ad. Rarer than a Shelby. Then the remark that the R code was only available in a Cougar in 1969. Ram air is Ram air whether it is noted in the VIN or the invoice. You have a picture of the invoice and the car came with a rear spoiler. Hard part to find. Hope you have it. The Hurst is wrong for a 69 and the original shifter and knob is worth north of $1,000. Hope you have them. Nice car and you should sell it on it's merits, not by trying to down grade other cars.
Frank
Yes Frank, I do have the original shifter arm. Also, the shifter knob that you see in the picture is the original factory shifter knob, but I guess you knew that. I've had both 70 Boss 302 & 68 Shelby Mustang's & it is rarer & faster than both those cars. It's not my fault that the Mercury boys in 1970 call 428 Cougar with Ram Air a "Q" code car, Marti report invoice or not. Especially when the Cougars went down the same assembly line as the Mustangs. You don't see the 70 Mustang boys complaining.
Good morning Frank, You have some really nice cars. I have admired them for years. Truthfully though I am surprised you take offence at chucks listing. There are a lot of people ignorant of Cougars. It would be one thing if his statements werent true. But pointing out and stating the facts I feel would help his sale not hurt. JMO and you know what they say.
Mike
Love the Cougar, just a couple of comments. I tend to agree with Frank, that your listing is well written, but comes off negative toward other cars in some ways. A 1970 "Q" code Cougar with documented factory ram air per the Marti report, is the same thing as a 1969 R code, so no fundamental differences there. Mercury did the same thing on it's Cyclone Spoilers, with the "C" code for both Ram air and non-ram air engines, vs. J codes for Ford Torinos. The one area where you may have a difficult selling point is the spoiler situation. You see most people love the Cougar Eliminators BECAUSE of the spoilers, not because of the lack of them. That's why you see so many people out there making Eliminator clones. And so many people adding rear spoilers and Slats on their 1969 Fastback Mustangs. It is my opinion that your car would actually be worth more $$ if you put the spoilers back on it. But then again, there may be someone out there that loves it exactly the way it is now.
Love the Cougar, just a couple of comments. I tend to agree with Frank, that your listing is well written, but comes off negative toward other cars in some ways. A 1970 "Q" code Cougar with documented factory ram air per the Marti report, is the same thing as a 1969 R code, so no fundamental differences there. Mercury did the same thing on it's Cyclone Spoilers, with the "C" code for both Ram air and non-ram air engines, vs. J codes for Ford Torinos. The one area where you may have a difficult selling point is the spoiler situation. You see most people love the Cougar Eliminators BECAUSE of the spoilers, not because of the lack of them. That's why you see so many people out there making Eliminator clones. And so many people adding rear spoilers and Slats on their 1969 Fastback Mustangs. It is my opinion that your car would actually be worth more $$ if you put the spoilers back on it. But then again, there may be someone out there that loves it exactly the way it is now.
Thanks Scott for the comments. But I've had so much positive comments online, at cruise nights & car shows for having that clean look with no spoilers.
I agree, a rear spoiler & slats look good on a 69/70 Mustang Fastback, because of the Duck Tail on the trunk lid, but the same equipment look's like a "tuner car" on a Mustang coupe.
I'm not a Chevy guy, but for me the best rear spoilers ever made were on the 67-69 Z28's, they just look so much like they were part of the car. But again, the next new owner can go ahead an drill 8 virgin holes into the trunk lid...........
With the "R" code stuff. I like having the letter "R" in my VIN.
Again it would be differant maybe if Chuck listed his car here or other Ford performance web sites but on ebay he is reaching another audience of prospective buyers a lot who know squat about Cougars. Pointing out the rarity of his particular car I just dont see as offensive. It is a very nice, Rare, cool car and if I could I would have already bought it.
That is one Hell of a neighborhood!!!!! The 427s sure do look like the bad boy for a lot of DESERVED years. Without a doubt one of my favorite engines of all time. Ford 427, Hemi and all the rest can kiss my butt, races entered, races won, head to head, no contest. Why Ford?
The most bad ass boy on the block.
Very nice picture Royce, of you & Don. I was also a big fan of Dyno Don. I have a few pictures of Dyno Don standing beside his "R" code 1969 Boss 429 Cougar at the drag strip. I will post them at a later date.
A couple of things pop out at me (for a 75K starting bid car). No smog, incorrect valve covers (I think), heater hoses looped back. If you want that kind of money for an opening bid, things have to be spot on. JMHO.
A couple of things pop out at me (for a 75K starting bid car). No smog, incorrect valve covers (I think), heater hoses looped back. If you want that kind of money for an opening bid, things have to be spot on. JMHO.
You didn't really just quote NADA prices did you? :sun2:
I agree with what you're saying about the little stuff, if you're buying a project. Your car is clearly a cut above that. I have to side with Bob and Dave, someone buying a $75K and up car doesn't want to have to wrench on it. They want the little details to be correct and if they aren't it makes them wonder what else isn't right.
I have been following this thread with some interest, as my experience at Barrett Jackson in January was a real eye-opener on selling a rare, high end muscle car.
This car already has one bid at 75,000, and if it is real, then it may be sold. The point most of us are trying to make is that an item like a leaking heater core is a really big deal. And many of us speak from experience on this. Moreover, in this market 75K IS TOP DOLLAR. Instead of trying to defend every item pointed out, consider making some small changes so that you can get for the car what you want. The funny part about all this is that more often than not, the cost of what is needed to bring the car up IS FAR LESS than the money left on the table, especially in a rare high end muscle car. Would I do it for an H-code standard hardtop? No, not if I was trying to sell it. But this car is different.
Case in point- the 428 CJ C6 70 Eliminator that went the night before mine at BJ sold for 44K! This car should have brought 80K at BJ. Why so low? a bunch of little things that added up to about 7-8K. Of course, if one is cash strapped and simply can't do it-understood. But if the money and time were available, how many of us would spend 8K and a weekend of time to get 30-40K more? Most would.
The take home message is that attention to details is important to get top dollar. Instead of trying to defend why it isn't important, that energy might be better spent on a weekend of small (and large, in the case of the heater core) changes that are likely to put more cash in your pocket. And in the end, most folks on this forum are far more interested in helping you put cash in your pocket than words on a page.
Look I'm not trying to pick on anybody. The only reason I run a by-pass hose is because of the tall 428 Cobra valve covers, it also makes it easier to change spark plugs on that side. As far as I know there is no issue with the heater core. I'm selling the car below market value, I've enjoy it and it's time for me to move on. I have a couple of other projects that I'm working on.
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